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RUMOR: Why TNA Is Cutting Back On House Shows



The Wrestling Observer is reporting that the reason why TNA has no live events scheduled for the month of October besides Bound For Glory and Impact Wrestling on Spike is because they are no longer profitable.

TNA is said to be cutting back on house show events for the rest of 2013. The company is only advertising six more house show events for the rest of the year.

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The Wrestling Observer is reporting that the reason why TNA has no live events scheduled for the month of October besides Bound For Glory and Impact Wrestling on Spike is because they are no longer profitable.

TNA is said to be cutting back on house show events for the rest of 2013. The company is only advertising six more house show events for the rest of the year.

 

That would make sense, and fit in with the Observer's "OMG TNA is going under!  There have been backstage discussions from anonymous people about selling the ring at a pawn shop and having a bake sale and a Knockouts car wash, there has been no final decision about whether TNA will continue on as a backyard wrestling promotion" meme...except why start up again with house shows in November?

Knockouts having a car wash? I am so there... Oh wait :-(
Lol man Davey must be so mad at Bischoff's tweet that he actually wrote something with emphasis instead of some vague bullshit.

Nevertheless it's still bullshit. As long as TNA gets 500 paying customers per show, the live events are at the very least breaking even. For those wondering why that is, it all has to do with the fact TNA brings maybe 14-15 talents on a house show loop and neither is Hogan or Sting. Throw in most people at the live show buying some TNA merchandise and doing that 20 buck photo in the ring after the show with a TNA main eventer (this is according to people at the shows) and TNA is making some decent money for a Live event.

The REAL reason why TNA is cutting back house shows is probably due to the fact TNA is reorganizing the entire company from top to bottom and once that's over, the holidays are upon us and TNA does a light schedule post Thanksgiving anyway.

Look forward to Davey's excuse when TNA starts running alot of shows again in 2014. I'm just glad that for once Davey boy emphatically said something in a news post rather than some vague bullshit where he has enough wiggle room to deny that he was wrong.

OR maybe they are cutting back on house shows after October is because, It's holiday season and they will begin preparing for the UK tour?

 

It's amazing how predictable these "reports" become. TNA has been running venues that draw 2,000 people or less for the last THREE years and all of a sudden it's not profitable?

 

Dirtsheets really ruined my love for wrestling. Hate to say it but the constant reports that are simply insulting people's intelligence make the wrestling business look bush league compared to actual media in the sports/mma world.

Honestly, I didn't understand the point of running house shows after they took Impact on the road.  I thought the whole point to them was to allow fans to see Impact wrestling locally, without driving all the way down to Orlando, FL.  However, it is nice to catch a house show on Friday if it's somewhere in the area of the Impact show on Thursday, that way you can see two shows in one trip.

Well, looks like Meltzer needs some desperate hits on the Observer site once again, things must be pretty slow, guess his bullshit site is no longer profitable, sheeeesh.

They are not drawing 2000 people, most shows are reported at 500-700. I think with all the other financial problems they just dont want to spend the $ in promoting house shows that aren't making much. Plus I believe they hired a new guy to take over that department so there is probably going to be a gap.

They are not drawing 2000 people, most shows are reported at 500-700. I think with all the other financial problems they just dont want to spend the $ in promoting house shows that aren't making much. Plus I believe they hired a new guy to take over that department so there is probably going to be a gap.

 

When were they ever drawing 2000 people for house shows?  I think they might have for their first house show when they worked with ICP in Detroit years ago, but that event was only partially ran by TNA.  They've been getting 400 to 1200 or so people to house shows since they started doing them, and that's still what they pull in.

no longer profitable.... LOL....

Can understand the attendance part in certain cities that draw say 500, then there are cities that draw 700, 1000 maybe a few more...

Then TNA make a ton off of merchandise sales....

It all depend on how much TNA pays to rent the arenas run in though really... sometimes they break even sometimes not..

I've said many times when house shows came up. They generate soft revenue, through spreading their product around the country, connecting with viewers, and creating a long term viewer base.

What they make or lose at these shows is not a cash cow nor a huge dent. The real money is in ad revenue from TV (which is why ratings are important), international revenue, and PPV buys. So I can't see why canceling house shows would be a purely financial reason.

I think people need to stop focusing on the these "attendance" numbers.  I was at a house show in Massena and the place was packed.  Great crowd who ate up the action and all the brown bag specials which came their way.  Furthermore, pictures with Velvet Sky and Angle were also massive hits. My daughter and I had the opportunity to meet several stars backstage and all were cordial, polite and friendly including the A&*8 - Devon and Bully Ray.  The experience was well worth the expense.   Money was made that night.  All this to say, that even though it was not a large arena and the actual attendance was around 1500-2000 people, the arena was still full.  People on these sites will look at the figures and state it's a lousy number without actually knowing what the configuration of the arena is.  Lastly, TNA normally reduces their house shows this time of the year because of the upcoming holidays.  I would like to know the number of house shows which were done at this time in 2012 (OCT-DEC) before everyone starts pressing the panic button.  BTW, I include Impact as a road show.

I've said many times when house shows came up. They generate soft revenue, through spreading their product around the country, connecting with viewers, and creating a long term viewer base.

What they make or lose at these shows is not a cash cow nor a huge dent. The real money is in ad revenue from TV (which is why ratings are important), international revenue, and PPV buys. So I can't see why canceling house shows would be a purely financial reason.

They get that back in sponsorship, not so much through TV ratings, which only measuring who watching the product...  Probably not alot but enough to make something for nothing or to be able to travel and put on live /tape Impact shows.... Each company that has a ad during Impact pays so much to place their ad thus generates some money...

They get that back in sponsorship, not so much through TV ratings, which only measuring who watching the product... Probably not alot but enough to make something for nothing or to be able to travel and put on live /tape Impact shows.... Each company that has a ad during Impact pays so much to place their ad thus generates some money...


Ratings =# of people watching. More viewers = charge higher for ads = more $$$$

Ratings =# of people watching. More viewers = charge higher for ads = more $$$$

 

Ratings are the number of people watching a particular channel in relation to how many are watching any TV at the time.  Viewership is the pure number of viewers, though even that is only based on extrapolating from a percentage of homes which are "Nielson homes" and have their viewing habits tracked, so it isn't the exact real number of people watching.

One of my former coworkers took a job w Neilson, and I still have no clue as to what their algorithm is to determine the numbers. All I know is the higher you score, the more you can gouge sponsors for ad time.

To bring it back to the topic, that's why I feel ratings are much more important than live event data.

One of my former coworkers took a job w Neilson, and I still have no clue as to what their algorithm is to determine the numbers. All I know is the higher you score, the more you can gouge sponsors for ad time.

To bring it back to the topic, that's why I feel ratings are much more important than live event data.

 

Depends on who gets what percentage of the advertising revenue between TNA and Spike/Viacom.  If TNA only recieves a tiny fraction, it would probably make little difference, so long as they keep the rating high enough to avoid cancellation.

Well if their goal is to avoid cancellation, then Impact should be fine. They're probably better than anything else Spike could fill the slot with. Though that Cops rating did scare me. But I'll chalk that up to the earlier timeslot just having fewer options from other networks.

Well if their goal is to avoid cancellation, then Impact should be fine. They're probably better than anything else Spike could fill the slot with. Though that Cops rating did scare me. But I'll chalk that up to the earlier timeslot just having fewer options from other networks.

 

I'm sure they'd like to do more than avoid cancellation, I just meant they would probably prefer to get the rating they get now and have 2,000 plus fans per house show than, say, a 1.1 or 1.2 rating every week and keep their current attendance.  That's only if they don't get a big percentage of ad revenue, which they might.

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