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[Shogun]

Rua put an end to the Lyoto Machida mystique last night. Can't wait for Rampage/Evans to determine the next challenger to Rua's belt.

[Darren Grett]

I'm happy that Rua is champ. Not only is he a proven vet, he has hit rock bottom and bounced back like a true champ and MMA journeyman. That's one thing that has bothered me about the UFC lately, in particular Silva, Machida and especially Lesnar. They are all paper champions. Silva who is the greatest MMA draft dodger, Lesnar who undeservingly got a title shot after 3 wins and 1 loss and Machida who is falsely perceived as some sort of stand-up knockout artist.

On that same token, Kimbo is done. Maybe Strikeforce can pick him up for cheap, few fight deal and feed him to Brett Rogers and then to Lashley and then finally just fire him.

[Shogun]

404 said:

I'm happy that Rua is champ. Not only is he a proven vet, he has hit rock bottom and bounced back like a true champ and MMA journeyman. That's one thing that has bothered me about the UFC lately, in particular Silva, Machida and especially Lesnar. They are all paper champions. Silva who is the greatest MMA draft dodger, Lesnar who undeservingly got a title shot after 3 wins and 1 loss and Machida who is falsely perceived as some sort of stand-up knockout artist.

On that same token, Kimbo is done. Maybe Strikeforce can pick him up for cheap, few fight deal and feed him to Brett Rogers and then to Lashley and then finally just fire him.

It also wouldn't surprise me if Strikeforce also signed Paul Daley. Last I heard, the winner of Jackson/Evans gets first shot at Rua, and "Shogun" has also said he'd be open to fighting Anderson and also wants a fight with Randy Couture.

[Darren Grett]

Shogun said:

404 said:

I'm happy that Rua is champ. Not only is he a proven vet, he has hit rock bottom and bounced back like a true champ and MMA journeyman. That's one thing that has bothered me about the UFC lately, in particular Silva, Machida and especially Lesnar. They are all paper champions. Silva who is the greatest MMA draft dodger, Lesnar who undeservingly got a title shot after 3 wins and 1 loss and Machida who is falsely perceived as some sort of stand-up knockout artist.

On that same token, Kimbo is done. Maybe Strikeforce can pick him up for cheap, few fight deal and feed him to Brett Rogers and then to Lashley and then finally just fire him.

It also wouldn't surprise me if Strikeforce also signed Paul Daley. Last I heard, the winner of Jackson/Evans gets first shot at Rua, and "Shogun" has also said he'd be open to fighting Anderson and also wants a fight with Randy Couture.

I wouldn't be surprised about Daley either. I actually just sent a series of tweets to Matt Mogan via twitter. He actually said that Strikeforce would be considered bush league. http://twitter.com/tnainsider Scroll down a bit to see them.

[Shogun]

404 said:

Shogun said:

404 said:

I'm happy that Rua is champ. Not only is he a proven vet, he has hit rock bottom and bounced back like a true champ and MMA journeyman. That's one thing that has bothered me about the UFC lately, in particular Silva, Machida and especially Lesnar. They are all paper champions. Silva who is the greatest MMA draft dodger, Lesnar who undeservingly got a title shot after 3 wins and 1 loss and Machida who is falsely perceived as some sort of stand-up knockout artist.

On that same token, Kimbo is done. Maybe Strikeforce can pick him up for cheap, few fight deal and feed him to Brett Rogers and then to Lashley and then finally just fire him.

It also wouldn't surprise me if Strikeforce also signed Paul Daley. Last I heard, the winner of Jackson/Evans gets first shot at Rua, and "Shogun" has also said he'd be open to fighting Anderson and also wants a fight with Randy Couture.

I wouldn't be surprised about Daley either. I actually just sent a series of tweets to Matt Mogan via twitter. He actually said that Strikeforce would be considered bush league. http://twitter.com/tnainsider Scroll down a bit to see them.

Yeah, Strikeforce is bush league. They're in that stage where they'll just about sign anyone with any name value whatsoever to get people to watch. But I don't see how they'll ever rebound after that fiasco that they put on CBS.

[Darren Grett]

You think so? I disagree. Do you think the signing of Kimbo after the EliteXC mess was bush league of the UFC? Or how about when Tank Abbot got into a fight outside near the fans while another fight was going on inside the octagon only for Dana White to sign him after his run in WCW was up? Do you think Josh Koscheck's bad mouthing fans was sportsman-like? Now apparently, Koscheck refuses to fight in Canada.

Seems people are so quick to criticize Strikeforce for something that was beyond their control. Fact is, we once again turn to the Diaz brothers. They have had scuffles like this in the UFC, EliteXC with KJ Noons and his dad and now on National television. What people fail to realize is that Nate Diaz, one of the guys to threw blows still works for the UFC. While Jason Miller had no business in the ring, run-ins like those have happened so many times. the unannounced Stand off between Wanderlei Silva and Chuck Liddel is a perfect example of this, Wanderlei jumped into the octagon wearing a PRIDE FC shirt (before the aquisition) and went nose to nose with Chuck after a light heavyweight match.


I think its more bush-league of strikeforce to sign KJ Noons after he won the EliteXC lightweight title only to refuse to defend it, forcing them to strip him of the belt. I also think it was quite bush league of SpikeTV and Dana white to put on an unbranded WEC PPV and just call it "fight night".

[Shogun]

404 said:

You think so? I disagree. Do you think the signing of Kimbo after the EliteXC mess was bush league of the UFC? Or how about when Tank Abbot got into a fight outside near the fans while another fight was going on inside the octagon only for Dana White to sign him after his run in WCW was up? Do you think Josh Koscheck's bad mouthing fans was sportsman-like? Now apparently, Koscheck refuses to fight in Canada.

Seems people are so quick to criticize Strikeforce for something that was beyond their control. Fact is, we once again turn to the Diaz brothers. They have had scuffles like this in the UFC, EliteXC with KJ Noons and his dad and now on National television. What people fail to realize is that Nate Diaz, one of the guys to threw blows still works for the UFC. While Jason Miller had no business in the ring, run-ins like those have happened so many times. the unannounced Stand off between Wanderlei Silva and Chuck Liddel is a perfect example of this, Wanderlei jumped into the octagon wearing a PRIDE FC shirt (before the aquisition) and went nose to nose with Chuck after a light heavyweight match.


I think its more bush-league of strikeforce to sign KJ Noons after he won the EliteXC lightweight title only to refuse to defend it, forcing them to strip him of the belt. I also think it was quite bush league of SpikeTV and Dana white to put on an unbranded WEC PPV and just call it "fight night".

Yeah, all very good points. And I'll also throw in James Toney in this discussion. I still can't figure out why Dana signed a past-his-prime boxer with no MMA experience. Baffling signing.

[Darren Grett]

Shogun said:

Yeah, all very good points. And I'll also throw in James Toney in this discussion. I still can't figure out why Dana signed a past-his-prime boxer with no MMA experience. Baffling signing.

I guess they think they can have a bit more professional version of kimbo slice which IMO should have jumped to boxing like he originally planned after getting out of his EliteXC deal.

[Shogun]

404 said:

Shogun said:

Yeah, all very good points. And I'll also throw in James Toney in this discussion. I still can't figure out why Dana signed a past-his-prime boxer with no MMA experience. Baffling signing.

I guess they think they can have a bit more professional version of kimbo slice which IMO should have jumped to boxing like he originally planned after getting out of his EliteXC deal.

Yeah, I think that's what he's going to do if Strikeforce doesn't sign him.

[MR B]

Shogun said:

Rua put an end to the Lyoto Machida mystique last night. Can't wait for Rampage/Evans to determine the next challenger to Rua's belt.

The rampage/Evans fight is going to sux. Rampage only cares about one thing right now and that is his movie career.The only reason he came back out of retirement because he didn't want to get sued.


Moreover ufc is the king of bush league. One day I would love to see some one kick Daniel white ass. The most overrated person in the sports industrial.

The one promotion I feel bad for is DREAM after a strong 2008 the promotion has gone down heal.
First you have Hulk Tourney featuring a former baseball player make mma look like a joke.
Then follow that by allowing one your top fighter Eddie Alvarez to leave. Then you change your premation rules to fit the america style by going to three round and dumping the ring for the cage. Which didn't go well with the fans.
Then sign a deal with strikeforce how miss uses them by putting guys who never fought in cage inside cage with top fighter how are use to the cage.

[Darren Grett]

waz90503 said:

Shogun said:

Rua put an end to the Lyoto Machida mystique last night. Can't wait for Rampage/Evans to determine the next challenger to Rua's belt.

The rampage/Evans fight is going to sux. Rampage only cares about one thing right now and that is his movie career.The only reason he came back out of retirement because he didn't want to get sued.


Moreover ufc is the king of bush league. One day I would love to see some one kick Daniel white ass. The most overrated person in the sports industrial.

The one promotion I feel bad for is DREAM after a strong 2008 the promotion has gone down heal.
First you have Hulk Tourney featuring a former baseball player make mma look like a joke.
Then follow that by allowing one your top fighter Eddie Alvarez to leave. Then you change your premation rules to fit the america style by going to three round and dumping the ring for the cage. Which didn't go well with the fans.
Then sign a deal with strikeforce how miss uses them by putting guys who never fought in cage inside cage with top fighter how are use to the cage.

I don't really blame rampage for jumping into movies, even if it doesn't amount to him being some sort of star. When you really factor in what the UFC pays him, he isn't making much. If he can make a few thousand off of one movie, he should be quite set. Remember, while he is making the same amount in the ufc, he also has to train, eat well, pay his trainers, pay his cornermen/staff, pay his bills, feed his family etc. By the time that money is in, he pockets only a fraction of that. Not to mention on average, all of the ufc fighters combined are rarely paid 1/2 of the total ticket gate. PPV is practically all pocketed by the UFC.


As for DREAM, you need to understand that the psyche in Japan towards gimmick/celebrity type matches is seen differently. For the most part, Japanese while not totally receptive to things like this, will easily give it a pass instead of being overly critical of it.

The issue with the cage is a sticky one. DREAM and Strikeforce have agreed to a talent exchange thus the need to eventually bring in a similar cage and same weight classes. While some, even in Japan may not agree with this for fear that Dream would just be an extension of American MMA and lose their identity, it also helps DREAM become the standard-bearer for MMA in Japan. The issue of weight, everyone needs to realize that many DREAM competitors also compete in the United States and other countries that use the unified rules of MMA set fourth in the United States. This just makes it easier for them to continue keeping weight in their respective divisions abroad.

[Darren Grett]

Maybe i should just rename this thread into the official MMA thread.

Bellator FC Hector Lombard vs Jay Silva 6 second KO

[MR B]

404 said:

Maybe i should just rename this thread into the official MMA thread.

Bellator FC Hector Lombard vs Jay Silva 6 second KO

Bellator I saw some of there fights on youtube. In addition, I caught two of there shows on Fox sports. One of the fighters go's to my gym.

[Shogun]

waz90503 said:

404 said:

Maybe i should just rename this thread into the official MMA thread.

Bellator FC Hector Lombard vs Jay Silva 6 second KO

Bellator I saw some of there fights on youtube. In addition, I caught two of there shows on Fox sports. One of the fighters go's to my gym.

Yeah, I always catch Bellator before Impact comes on. Would've loved to have seen the original match-up between Lombard and Paulo Filho. But props to Jay Silva for stepping in.

[MR B]

I have question why is ufc 115 a ppv fight. Talk about a week main event.That fight should be on the under card of of lesner fight. IMo the next three ufc fight card look week outside of lesner fight there is nothing to look forward to.

[Shogun]

waz90503 said:

I have question why is ufc 115 a ppv fight. Talk about a week main event.That fight should be on the under card of of lesner fight. IMo the next three ufc fight card look week outside of lesner fight there is nothing to look forward to.

115 doesn't look like a bad card.

Liddell/Franklin, Cro Cop/Barry, Rothwell/Yvel, and Condit/MacDonald

116 looks pretty good also.

Lesnar/Carwin, Wandy/Akiyama, Lytle/Brown, and Soszynksi/Bonnar 2.

I'm looking forward to both cards.

[diY_shiri_94]

when are ufc 115 and 116

[MR B]

Shogun said:

waz90503 said:

I have question why is ufc 115 a ppv fight. Talk about a week main event.That fight should be on the under card of of lesner fight. IMo the next three ufc fight card look week outside of lesner fight there is nothing to look forward to.

115 doesn't look like a bad card.

Liddell/Franklin, Cro Cop/Barry, Rothwell/Yvel, and Condit/MacDonald

116 looks pretty good also.

Lesnar/Carwin, Wandy/Akiyama, Lytle/Brown, and Soszynksi/Bonnar 2.

I'm looking forward to both cards.

But they are not PPv guilty imo.

115..
1) Liddell has lose 4 out of last 5 fights that is enough imo to make this a under-card match not a ppv show.
and franklin is 1-2 in his last three fights. Yes it might be a good fight but it should be on spike or the undercard not the main event.
2) cro cop has been lackluster in the cage
3) Rothwell look terrible in his debut.



116.
1) This look like a solid fight on card. However, how healthy is Lesnar.
2) wandy has done shot in ufc. H0w is 3-5 in the ufc and 1-2 and in his last three fights.

[Shogun]

waz90503 said:

Shogun said:

waz90503 said:

I have question why is ufc 115 a ppv fight. Talk about a week main event.That fight should be on the under card of of lesner fight. IMo the next three ufc fight card look week outside of lesner fight there is nothing to look forward to.

115 doesn't look like a bad card.

Liddell/Franklin, Cro Cop/Barry, Rothwell/Yvel, and Condit/MacDonald

116 looks pretty good also.

Lesnar/Carwin, Wandy/Akiyama, Lytle/Brown, and Soszynksi/Bonnar 2.

I'm looking forward to both cards.

But they are not PPv guilty imo.

115..
1) Liddell has lose 4 out of last 5 fights that is enough imo to make this a under-card match not a ppv show.
and franklin is 1-2 in his last three fights. Yes it might be a good fight but it should be on spike or the undercard not the main event.
2) cro cop has been lackluster in the cage
3) Rothwell look terrible in his debut.



116.
1) This look like a solid fight on card. However, how healthy is Lesnar.
2) wandy has done shot in ufc. H0w is 3-5 in the ufc and 1-2 and in his last three fights.

1) Sure, Liddell and Franklin are on skids and Chuck is past his prime. Both guys are hungry for a win.
2) Cro Cop has been lackluster, but Pat Barry is tailor-made for him. Again, Cro Cop is hungry for a win over a younger fighter, and Barry is seeking a signature win.
3) He fought Cain Velasquez. Yvel will stand right in front of Rothwell. Slugfest.

1) Last I checked, Lesnar said he's 100% healthy. Just a matter of him having cage rust.
2) Wand brings it every time he fights, that's why the fans love him. Coming off a huge win over Bisping. Akiyama is also a solid fighter with good judo and punching power. FOTN written all over this one.

[MR B]

Shogun said:

1) Sure, Liddell and Franklin are on skids and Chuck is past his prime. Both guys are hungry for a win.
2) Cro Cop has been lackluster, but Pat Barry is tailor-made for him. Again, Cro Cop is hungry for a win over a younger fighter, and Barry is seeking a signature win.
3) He fought Cain Velasquez. Yvel will stand right in front of Rothwell. Slugfest.

1) Last I checked, Lesnar said he's 100% healthy. Just a matter of him having cage rust.
2) Wand brings it every time he fights, that's why the fans love him. Coming off a huge win over Bisping. Akiyama is also a solid fighter with good judo and punching power. FOTN written all over this one.

Those reason are not enough imo to make this a ppv card. I personally feel that they should have had liddell and franklin the undercard of the lesnar card. There not good enough right now to justify a ppv show.PPV main events IMo should be left for the good fighters not for people who are past there prime.